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Friday, August 29, 2014

My Answer: If someone commits suicide, are they automatically condemned to hell?

Opening paragraph is at the beginning of every "My Answer" blog:

Growing up as the son of a preacher, I was never further than a question to my parents, as well as a variety of other Godly influences, from what I thought I was supposed to believe about any spiritual matter. But as time passed, I studied God's word for myself and was challenged by all of them to do so. On some questions, my personal study only reinforced what I'd heard as a child. On others, I found that I differed somewhat from what I'd been taught along the way and that my understanding of scripture lead me to a few different places. (I'm not going to tell you whether my parents and I disagree on any of these questions. If you want to know that, you've TOTALLY missed the reason for the blog series or the challenge to you behind it!) I read 1 Peter 3:15, which says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." I felt that this directive was calling me farther past just my hope of salvation, but about anything for which I felt a conviction within my faith. So I posted a series of questions on Facebook recently, challenging Christians to not debate issues, but to search for the WHY behind their convictions to these answers. I purposefully never posted my answers till now. This blog is not THE answer. It is MY answer according to my personal Bible study. I challenge you to find yours.

There is no gray area to me in determining suicide is sin. It is self murder. The Bible is very clear on murder even to the point that it is one of the Ten Commandments listed in Exodus 20:13. To always start from a point of truth is the best way to arrive at a conclusion. So suicide is a sin.

There are seven known suicides in the Bible: Abimilech (Judges 9:54), Samson (Judges 16:29-31), Saul and his armor bearer (1 Samuel 31:3-6), Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17:23), Zimri (1 Kings 16:18), and Judas (Matthew 27:5). While most of these characters were in situations of disobedience at the time of their suicides, Samson was not. Some view him as a martyr even. There's no way you could use his life as a model for righteous living, but what he did was quite remarkable! He is even listed in the "Hall of Faith" in Hebrews 11.

To look at this properly, we must first look at what "saves" a person. Jesus set Himself apart from the pack in John 14:6. He is the only way to heaven and our salvation comes solely from His death and resurrection - His redeeming (buying us back) work on the cross where He paid our sin debt. And scripture teaches, I believe, that nothing can take away what He has given. Look at Romans 8:35-39. God didn't put the word "except" after the words "nothing can separate." In the original Greek the word "nothing" means NOTHING! To me, that includes suicide. To say that having sin that has not been confessed sends someone to hell, though a person has confessed belief in Christ as their Savior, says to me that sin trumps the blood of Christ. No sir! The blood trumps it ALL!

There are also those who have said that suicide must be the unpardonable sin, or unforgivable sin, spoken about in Matthew 12:31-32. Actually, if you read all of Matthew 12, you'll see that Jesus was directing His speech at the Pharisees.  This was not a simple teaching moment where he was teaching the disciples or other followers! Jesus had been doing miracles in front of the Pharisees. But instead of seeing the truth, they said that Jesus was possessed by Beelzebub, a demon. They had spoken directly against Jesus, His Spirit, and the work He had just done before them. The unpardonable sin has nothing to do with suicide.

So no, though suicide is a sin, I don't believe it automatically condemns someone to hell. But read on. There's more to this answer than where we've arrived so far.

I must also say here that the saying "Go won't give you more than you can handle" is a LIE!!! The Bible NEVER says that! While that may be a comforting thought, it has no Biblical merit. The closest thing that scripture says to this comes from 1 Corinthians 10:13. In this passage, the Bible is addressing temptation to sin and saying that God will not allow us to be tempted in ways that He will not provide a way out. But this verse, nor any other verse, says anything about mental stress, depression, or anxiety. Actually, scripture is very clear that there WILL be trouble and trials in life! But it also says, to not fear because Jesus has overcome the world and in Him, we too are overcomers!

Suicide is indeed a sin. Depression, stress, and anxiety are also indeed real. People get to the point where they feel they can't take any more. I'm one of them. In November of 2011, I had a loaded gun to my head and was locked in our master bedroom with my wife praying for me on the other side of the door. I know what that's like. But I will tell you that, no matter who you are, you are here for a God-given purpose that is designed specifically for you by God. YOU MATTER! Your life is extremely important to God's plan. But to fulfill that plan, you need to be alive. Scripture says that it is appointed for man to die. But that appointment is not our to set for ourselves. It is God's and God's alone. If things get tough, talk to someone. There IS hope!

Sunday, August 24, 2014

My Answer: What's the big deal about women in ministry?

Opening paragraph is at the beginning of every "My Answer" blog:

Growing up as the son of a preacher, I was never further than a question to my parents, as well as a variety of other Godly influences, from what I thought I was supposed to believe about any spiritual matter. But as time passed, I studied God's word for myself and was challenged by all of them to do so. On some questions, my personal study only reinforced what I'd heard as a child. On others, I found that I differed somewhat from what I'd been taught along the way and that my understanding of scripture lead me to a few different places. (I'm not going to tell you whether my parents and I disagree on any of these questions. If you want to know that, you've TOTALLY missed the reason for the blog series or the challenge to you behind it!) I read 1 Peter 3:15, which says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." I felt that this directive was calling me farther past just my hope of salvation, but about anything for which I felt a conviction within my faith. So I posted a series of questions on Facebook recently, challenging Christians to not debate issues, but to search for the WHY behind their convictions to these answers. I purposefully never posted my answers till now. This blog is not THE answer. It is MY answer according to my personal Bible study. I challenge you to find yours.

Anyone who knows me well knows that I was raised in a very conservative Southern Baptist background. Most of my 24 years as a worship leader on staff at local churches were while serving in very conservative Southern Baptist congregations. One of the basic theological beliefs that is held within that arena is that women should not have a pastoral position of any kind. It is extremely rare that you will ever see a woman with the title of "Pastor" in a Southern Baptist church. And if there is one, that church is normally labeled as being "liberal and may not even believe in the virgin birth either." They (we - when I was an active part of the denomination) believe that scripture teaches this about women and is clear cut in doing so.

This interpretation of scripture has also carried over to women serving as deacons (or deaconess) within the church. Both for staff and deacons, the common reference is to 1 Timothy 3, where scripture says that one of the qualifications of an elder is that they be "the husband of one wife." So the question is raised, how can a woman be a husband? So that means that a woman cannot be a deacon since scripture says that a deacon is a "husband" and only a man can be a "husband."

HOWEVER, there is one major flaw in this view of theology that has changed my viewpoint on this issue. Enter Phoebe. Depending on the translation you choose, Romans 16:1 describes Phoebe as either "servant" or "deacon." Going back to the original Greek, the Greek word used here is not diakonos, the Greek word used for "deacon" later in scripture. However the office of deacon had not yet been created in the church when Phoebe was mentioned. Yet her responsibilities appear to be the same as that filled by deacons later. Plus the word used here is not gender specific (even used to describe Christ at one point). So when combining the whole counsel of God's word, I can't land on the point that a woman cannot be a deacon. Since the exact same scripture is used to argue that a woman cannot be a pastor, if it isn't going to hold water with me for deacon, then it cannot hold water for me in the role of pastor either.

Add to that the changes in lives that have come from Pastors like Joyce Meyer, Bianca Stingl (from the Church at Chapel Hill in Douglasville, GA, where I attended for almost a year), and I just can't say that their callings aren't genuine or scriptural. When we as Christians start throwing our weight around and say that a person's ministry isn't valid because of an interpretation of scripture (nothing really in clear cut black and white), especially when they are doing more for the Kingdom of God than we are, then we are getting ourselves in deep weeds with our Heavenly Father!

Then I've heard those who have said, "Yeah, but scripture says 'husband' and that means that Phoebe had to be something else." Really? These same people that I have heard make such claims will be on people like white on rice if scripture is taken out of context. We need to leave scripture in context as a whole, not think that it contradicts itself, right? That's what I believe. If it doesn't contradict, then this is the only conclusion I can reach and still sleep at night.

There is one more point that needs to be made here. The same churches that say that women can't be elders, deacons, or pastors, are also very quick to put women over children or youth (students) in what any other church would call a "Children's Pastor" or "Student Pastor." The only difference is that the church won't put the word "pastor" in the title. They will call them Children's or Student "Directors." Like changing the word in the title makes them completely compliant with what they say they believe about scripture! I don't think it does! But this question of compliance is never discussed. It's like gluttony. Church people are so quick to point out the sin du jour, but let it be something like gluttony, when the majority of the church is obese, and things like that are never discussed even though "self control" is one of the fruit of the Spirit. Yeah. I've got a problem with all of that.

I'm not saying that at some point somebody may come along and prove me wrong. If they do, I'll change. Until then, this is my conviction based on my understanding and interpretation of scripture.

Monday, August 18, 2014

My Answer: Is it ok for a Christian to be cremated?

Opening paragraph is at the beginning of every "My Answer" blog:

Growing up as the son of a preacher, I was never further than a question to my parents, as well as a variety of other Godly influences, from what I thought I was supposed to believe about any spiritual matter. But as time passed, I studied God's word for myself and was challenged by all of them to do so. On some questions, my personal study only reinforced what I'd heard as a child. On others, I found that I differed somewhat from what I'd been taught along the way and that my understanding of scripture lead me to a few different places. (I'm not going to tell you whether my parents and I disagree on any of these questions. If you want to know that, you've TOTALLY missed the reason for the blog series or the challenge to you behind it!) I read 1 Peter 3:15, which says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." I felt that this directive was calling me farther past just my hope of salvation, but about anything for which I felt a conviction within my faith. So I posted a series of questions on Facebook recently, challenging Christians to not debate issues, but to search for the WHY behind their convictions to these answers. I purposefully never posted my answers till now. This blog is not THE answer. It is MY answer according to my personal Bible study. I challenge you to find yours.

Again, as in before questions, does this act go against what is taught in scripture? As I look through scripture, I can find no mention of cremation. But neither can I find any mention of instruction on "acceptable burial practices" of any kind where Christians are concerned! There is no mention whatsoever about curses or punishment of any kind in regard to burial practices. There are people in scripture who were burned to death as a punishment for some act while living. But the act of burning carried no distinction in and of itself as to any eternal meaning at all.

Scripture tells us that one day the graves will burst open and give up their dead and that those of us who are Christians will have a new "resurrected body" that will be glorified in nature. Granted, in our minds, putting a body back together again seems much easier when there are identifiable pieces - much like putting a puzzle together. In our minds it may be impossible for a body to come back together and come out of a grave when it is only dust, especially if it was scattered from a mountain top or poured into a river. But do we really think that gathering every single minute particle of dust is too difficult for the God who spoke the world into existence? I can't put the God I serve in that small of a box.

People have lost their lives to fire down through the ages. Just this week, here in Nashville, a poor tanker driver, for reasons unknown, swerved in the middle of the night and hit a bridge with a tanker full of unleaded gasoline. The tanker exploded and the driver was killed. The fire burned so hot that it melted some of the steel in the bridge that passed overhead. Think back to 9/11. The plane that went down in Pennsylvania was practically pulverized with the lives of innocent people - heroes - on board. When events like this happen, are these people, if they are Christians, simply out of luck because their bodies were burned into ash at death? I can't make sense out of a theology that would say that when scripture says clearly that "nothing can separate us" from the love of Jesus. So as to the first analysis question, I would have to arrive at the answer being: No. There is no evidence that cremation goes against anything in scripture.

So what about it being the wise thing to do? Though sentimental reasons do exist and people want their ashes spread over certain areas or kept in an urn in a home or special place, the most frequent answer given when asked why someone would choose cremation is the fact that being cremated is much cheaper than a full burial. So if a family isn't prepared with resources to pay for a full burial, then cremation for them would indeed be the wiser choice, in my opinion. If resources are available for both, then it comes down to just personal preference.

Based on my own conviction for the reasons listed above, I see nothing wrong with a Christian choosing to be cremated after death, or for that decision to be made by authoritative legal parties for the deceased.

Saturday, August 16, 2014

My Answer: Is it ok for a Christian to get a tattoo?

Opening paragraph is at the beginning of every "My Answer" blog:

Growing up as the son of a preacher, I was never further than a question to my parents, as well as a variety of other Godly influences, from what I thought I was supposed to believe about any spiritual matter. But as time passed, I studied God's word for myself and was challenged by all of them to do so. On some questions, my personal study only reinforced what I'd heard as a child. On others, I found that I differed somewhat from what I'd been taught along the way and that my understanding of scripture lead me to a few different places. (I'm not going to tell you whether my parents and I disagree on any of these questions. If you want to know that, you've TOTALLY missed the reason for the blog series or the challenge to you behind it!) I read 1 Peter 3:15, which says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." I felt that this directive was calling me farther past just my hope of salvation, but about anything for which I felt a conviction within my faith. So I posted a series of questions on Facebook recently, challenging Christians to not debate issues, but to search for the WHY behind their convictions to these answers. I purposefully never posted my answers till now. This blog is not THE answer. It is MY answer according to my personal Bible study. I challenge you to find yours.

I must say that I was VERY surprised when I posted this question! There were some very hard feelings on both sides of this issue! After the subject of a Christian drinking alcohol, I thought I would ask a relatively light question in theme. But there was nothing "light" about the responses that I read from those who answered. As a matter of fact, it was BY FAR the most debated topic of any question asked. Following this posted question, I actually had to list "NO DEBATING" as a "rule" for responding to the posts. Some didn't like that. That's fine with me. You have your own Facebook page and you can post anything you want. :-)

This also became the one exception when I actually posted an answer to my own question on my Facebook page. That was never my intention to do. However, given the heated discussion that had occurred, I felt that I needed to weigh in. I'm still not sure if that was the best thing to do, but it's what I did. What follows is the skeleton of the way I responded with a few added thoughts.

So here's my take on the whole tattoo thing. The only time I can find in scripture where tattoos are actually mentioned is here: Leviticus 19:28. Please understand that I am NOT one of those guys who claim that the Old Testament of the Bible is no longer valid because we are under grace now and not the old law. While there are parts of the old law that have gone the way of the Dodo Bird, there are still parts that are valid today. Let me explain briefly.

There are three different types of law in our Old Testament canon that we use today. They are Cultural Law, Ceremonial Law, and Moral Law. Cultural and Ceremonial Laws are indeed no longer valid. Moral Law is still very much valid and is alive and well today. It transcends the Old and New Testaments. The Moral Law states that death is the only payment for sin. When Jesus died on the cross, He became that death payment for our sin: past, present, and future. By fulfilling the debt requirement for our sin, Jesus said, "I haven't come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it." Moral Law still stands! It is the standard by which our actions are measured. It, along with the conviction of the Holy Spirit, is the main way that we know when we are in dangerous proximity to, or have committed a sin. And there was no angry God in the OT and a loving God in the NT. He says in Malachi 3, "I am the Lord, I do not change."

This passage in Leviticus is a part of Ceremonial or Cultural Law, not Moral. If you read the verses surrounding 28, you will see that in those days, tattoos were given to worshipers of pagan gods. Back then, they marked to which god they were loyal and gave them a form of identity in that regard. Today, that's not always the case. And besides, if we are going to use this verse, then that makes the verse about men shaving just as valid an issue with God! If you shaved today, guys, you're in trouble! Or look a few verses down where it talks about lying in reference to weight and measures. Some of us would be in BIG TIME trouble on Facebook lying about weight! No, this is not a valid argument, in my opinion, for not having a tattoo. It's fine to not like them! But don't start throwing God into the mix by making Him say something He didn't say by using verses out of context.

Next question deals with cremation. Later, guys.

Wednesday, August 13, 2014

My Answer: Is it ok for a Christian to drink alcohol?

Opening paragraph is at the beginning of every "My Answer" blog:

Growing up as the son of a preacher, I was never further than a question to my parents, as well as a variety of other Godly influences, from what I thought I was supposed to believe about any spiritual matter. But as time passed, I studied God's word for myself and was challenged by all of them to do so. On some questions, my personal study only reinforced what I'd heard as a child. On others, I found that I differed somewhat from what I'd been taught along the way and that my understanding of scripture lead me to a few different places. (I'm not going to tell you whether my parents and I disagree on any of these questions. If you want to know that, you've TOTALLY missed the reason for the blog series or the challenge to you behind it!) I read 1 Peter 3:15, which says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." I felt that this directive was calling me farther past just my hope of salvation, but about anything for which I felt a conviction within my faith. So I posted a series of questions on Facebook recently, challenging Christians to not debate issues, but to search for the WHY behind their convictions to these answers. I purposefully never posted my answers till now. This blog is not THE answer. It is MY answer according to my personal Bible study. I challenge you to find yours.

The first question you need to ask yourself really isn't the one posted in the title. The first question you need to ask is, "WHY am I asking this question?" When my parents told me not to go touch or do something, there'd be times I would get as close as I could to doing it, but not! Now my parents didn't let me get away with that kind of thing hardly ever, but many of you reading this, if you were told not to touch something, you'd put your finger so close to it that you couldn't wedge a frog's hair between your finger and the object, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE TOUCHING IT! Right?

We Christians are the same way. We know we're not supposed to sin, but we want to know just how close we can get to sin and not cross that line in the sand. We think we can sneak up on sin and get our thrill fix before we call it a day. I've been there. I feel ya! But then asking the question from the title COULD (not does) show a heart issue where you want to tap into your inner "bad boy" and get it out. That issue needs to be resolved prior to this one. That's an integrity/character issue that you need to be honest with God about and move past before ever dealing with this question.

I stated yesterday that I run everything through two filters: scripture & wisdom. We'll get to the scripture part in a moment. But as for wisdom, let me say that if there has ever been a time in your life when you have abused alcohol, then this answer is a DEFINITIVE NO! There is no circumstance where you should put your health, testimony, your life on the line for a sip of an alcoholic beverage. Remember the question: "In light of my past failures, my present circumstances, and my future hopes and dreams, is this the wise thing to do?" For you sir/ma'am, the answer is no.

Godly Christians are on both sides of this issue. I must say that I even disagree with my father, whom I love and respect dearly, on this issue. The important thing to remember is that on whichever side you choose to come down, there are those who are to be just as respected and and acknowledged that their relationship with Jesus is just as valid as yours.

Now to the question at hand. Wine is mentioned throughout the Bible. I'm not going to list all the verses for you. That would be something that, at some point, you need to do for yourself. That was the whole purpose behind the Facebook exercise to begin with. From Noah getting drunk in Genesis 9, all the way throughout scripture, wine makes occasional appearances. The first recorded miracle of Jesus, Himself, was when He turned the water into wine at the wedding.

I've heard people say that they've researched the original Greek and Hebrew words and that wine, as it is referenced many times in scripture including the wedding miracle, was not wine as we know it today. That according to the original languages, it was three parts water and one part grape juice. Ok. Continuing, those on that side of the argument will say that different Greek or Hebrew words are used when referencing wine at other parts of the Bible when it admonishes us about getting drunk with wine. Again, ok. I can see how you've arrived at your conclusion.

My only issue is that no matter if it was three parts water or just one whole part wine, the Bible says we can get drunk off of it. There is no getting drunk without alcohol in the mix. There's getting FAT from too much grape juice! There's getting a bad case of the runs (diarrhea for you northern folk), but there's no getting drunk without alcohol.

And what about the wine at the wedding? Again, I have to reference scripture for this one. Those in attendance claimed that the wine, that up until seconds ago had been water, was the best wine. See, normally hosts would serve the best wine up front. Why? Because once people get alcohol moving through their system, not only does the band sound better, but the wine tastes better too! That's why I believe, and my conviction remains, that the wine that resulted from Jesus' wedding miracle was fermented. People who were drunk and shouldn't know any better said that it was the best. At that point, grape Kool-Aid would have tasted fermented to them. But they could distinguish this as the best.

What about the stumbling bock verse? Again, if we're going to cite that verse as the foundation for our convictions, in my opinion, we need to push away the Carnegie Deli Cheesecake, my dad's banana pudding, or the peach cobbler. Not that these things within themselves are bad, but sometimes the waistline gives evidence of possible gluttony in one's life. One is just as serious as the other. You can run the gamut with things that could be equally a stumbling block: speeding, movies, tv (soap operas?), gambling, you name it.

And know this. I've had an uncle that was a severe alcoholic. He chased my grandmother through her home with a baseball bat one time. He was beaten close to death and left naked in the snow. I've heard the stories and know well the potential. Yes, alcoholism can be dangerous! That is why I said above that if you've shown any form of addictive tendencies toward alcohol, your answer is always NO!

But for the rest of us, if we're going to look at it for its possible troubles it could cause, does that mean we need to cut out sex too? Over 50% of marriages end in divorce with many of them due to infidelity. We have teenage pregnancies, abortions, STD's, pornography, human sex trafficking. So do we say that we can't have sex due to the damage it can cause? Of course not! The issue is what our enemy has done in perverting a God-given gift into something twisted and sick.

My interpretation of scripture and my conviction tells me that scripture (except in cases of addiction stated above) does not speak against the consumption of alcohol, but rather the abuse of it and getting drunk from it. Drunkenness is against scripture. But I cannot arrive at total abstinence.

Sunday, August 10, 2014

My Answer: Is it acceptable for a Christian to smoke?

I purposefully didn't answer. When I posted the following question on Facebook last week, I wanted those answering to search their own hearts, Bibles, convictions and know their own answer if ever asked why they believe the way they do. In my own past, when questions have been asked about why I believe certain things, I've been guilty of being silent until the pastor or teacher proclaimed his/her belief and gave us what must have been the "right answer." For years I formed my beliefs this way. I'm not proud of that.

    Growing up as the son of a preacher, I was never further than a question to my parents, as well as a variety of other Godly influences, from what I thought I was supposed to believe about any spiritual matter. But as time passed, I studied God's word for myself and was challenged by all of them to do so. On some questions, my personal study only reinforced what I'd heard as a child. On others, I found that I differed somewhat from what I'd been taught along the way and that my understanding of scripture lead me to a few different places. (I'm not going to tell you whether my parents and I disagree on any of these questions. If you want to know that, you've TOTALLY missed the reason for the blog series or the challenge to you behind it!) I read 1 Peter 3:15, which says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." I felt that this directive was calling me farther past just my hope of salvation, but about anything for which I felt a conviction within my faith. This blog is not THE answer. It is MY answer according to my personal Bible study. I challenge you to find yours.

With that in mind, last week I began posting one question per day that, as of the writing of this blog, many Christians are asking. There are some things that make eternal differences (i.e. Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus died on a cross and was raised to life three days later, etc.). These questions fall of lesser weight, but are debated as not being very clear cut in scripture. By far, the majority of Christians have stances on these things, however. And there are wonderful God-fearing people of God on both sides of every question. So I wanted to know if they got their stance from their pastors and teachers, or if they'd actually studied on their own and developed their own conclusions. I saved my answers for here.

My plan is to answer one question per day until all seven are complete. If I listed all seven answers in blog, it would be really LOOONG! We may differ in our opinions or convictions. That's ok with me as long as it is you. I won't be debating with you. You can share with me below if you want to say that you disagree with me...as long as you also put the WHY! :-)

1. Is it acceptable for a Christian to smoke?
There are basically two questions I ask myself first when approaching any question like this. The same process will be followed in developing my answers to the following questions. 
  1. Is the action against what is taught in scripture?
  2. Is the action wise for me to do?
The first question speaks for itself. The second comes from a book by Pastor Andy Stanley, The Best Question Ever. He bases the book off of Ephesians 5:15 and gives three "filters." The resulting question is: "In light of my past failures, my present circumstances, and my future hopes and dreams, what is the wise thing to do?"

Is smoking against what is taught in scripture? There are no references to smoking in scripture. Now many have used the argument of the fact that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). I get that! I do! But the exact same argument could be made about eating Twinkies. As a matter of fact, every scriptural argument I've ever heard on this subject could just as easily be used for gluttony! Choose any verse you want. This is not the only one I've heard used on this issue. But Christians don't talk about gluttony, do we? "Food doesn't smell as bad as cigarettes and besides, we use food for fellowship. We don't use them cigarettes for fellowship Bro. Kevin." And what about the cancer the cigarettes cause? Valid point. But if you do the math, you'll find that exponentially more people die every year from issues related to overeating than ever do from lung cancer. If you're going to use the "temple" verses, that's fine with me. An argument can be made. But don't try to make the argument if you don't have a problem eating the extra cookie before bed.

Is it wise? The same answer would be given to this as to the previous question. Is it wise to have half the pan of brownies your wife cooked just so you can eat them while they're hot? Probably not. But in this case, over indulgence becomes the key factor. What if all you do is have a cigar with the guys only once in a while? I don't see the problem here. If it becomes an issue where it is becoming addictive, then there's a problem. But if not, I wouldn't tell you not to eat just because you might one day eat too much. That's just my opinion.

But if you overindulge in anything that brings damage to your body (smoking, gluttony, drug use, etc.), in my opinion, according to scripture, you (we) are in a sinful act. My point here is not so much to say that smoking isn't a sin as much as to say that we shouldn't point the finger at someone else just because their sin is different from ours.